Daredevil Born Again Season 1 Verdict

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Daredevil is back, and the first thing we notice is the impact: tighter filmmaking, nastier fights, and a street-level Marvel tone that doesn’t flinch. We ask the question people keep dodging, though: is Daredevil: Born Again Season 1 a real MCU comeback, or is it just an aggressively angry spinoff with better lighting and a whole lot of concussions? From the jump, we’re weighing it against the Netflix legacy and the uneven track record of Disney Plus Marvel shows. 

We get into what worked, what annoyed us, and what made zero sense. Matt Murdock remains an all-time compelling superhero lead, and Charlie Cox sells the character’s calm decency even when the action is brutally physical. We also unpack the details that make the show feel “real” for Marvel: sound design that highlights his senses, violence that has consequences, and a story that stays human-scaled instead of defaulting to aliens and sky beams. Then we argue about the problem baked into the MCU timeline: if this is New York after No Way Home, where is Spider-Man, and why does it feel like nobody else is on call? 

Wilson Fisk and Vanessa Fisk get their own spotlight because their relationship is its own kind of horror story. We talk manipulation, loyalty, trauma, and the way “vigilante” becomes a label that gets weaponized. We also hit pacing, including the debated middle stretch, and we finish with our favorite part of any family podcast: defending one ridiculous take each before we rate the season on our Relatively Terrible scale. 

If you’re watching Daredevil: Born Again, tell us your hottest take and whether you’d fix the middle. Subscribe for more, share this with a Marvel friend, and leave a review so more people can find the show.

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Cold Open: Uno And Daredevil Hype

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Daredevil Born Again Season 1. Uno.

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Just one.

SPEAKER_02 0:05

One. Uno. Uno. Is this a trend? Is this a true Daredevil comeback? Or just an aggressively angry MCU spinoff with better lighting and lots of concussions?

SPEAKER_00 0:17

I didn't see the Netflix series.

SPEAKER_04 0:20

I did. Would you say, Dad, that Born Again is better than the Netflix show? Yes. Oh. See, I feel like a lot of people would disagree with you.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

But I well, they're wrong. And I would say that it's an MCU comeback because a lot of the MCU shows for Disney Plus specifically have sucked. Oh, Miss Mark. She-Hulk. Yep. Oof.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Or they they they started off really well but couldn't end well.

SPEAKER_06 0:50

That's what she said. Secret Invasion had so many. Secret Invasion.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Uh WandaVision. Although we blame that on the pandemic for that crappy ending.

SPEAKER_06 0:59

That ending was bad, but the rest of it was good. The only show that had as good of a season one as Born Again was Moon Knight. Moon Knight. And that's it. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Yeah. I I agree with you on that. Moon Knight, I think up until now, was my favorite one.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

But I think we're not going to talk any about season two today. We'll do that in a later episode. We're just going to talk about season one. But I would have to say, we uh obviously we don't know where it's going to land yet, where they're going to land the plane, but season one is to me is very impressive as a TV show. Yes, it has great lighting. Yes, it has a lot of concussions. The fight scenes are incredible. Yeah. They're just so realistic. And the violence, there's some hyper violence in it, and it feels real. It feels it feels rough. I mean, yeah. But I love Daredevil. He's such a great superhero. Charlie Cox does a great job.

SPEAKER_04 1:55

I want a cock. What? Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

That's seriously.

SPEAKER_04 1:59

Charlie Cox. What?

SPEAKER_02 2:01

You can have a fisk.

SPEAKER_06 2:03

Oh. He could be Wilsoning it.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Oh, God. No, that didn't.

SPEAKER_06 2:08

No, that's He could be Wilsoning it. No, it's King is pin.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

We don't listen.

SPEAKER_06 2:12

He could be King and his pin. He could be Vanessaing his fist.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

Wilson is fisking it. Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Okay. We already did the Bill Murray episode with all the pins.

SPEAKER_04 2:23

Every time Kingpin talks. Vanessa!

SPEAKER_03 2:28

Oh my love. Oh, I need to have this deep aggressive voice because it's an MCU show. Oh. My love.

SPEAKER_04 2:41

I swear that's how he talks, but I don't hate it. It's just a kind of word.

SPEAKER_03 2:46

Vanessa. Vanessa.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

He's like a cross between what's what is the character in Breaking Bad? Is that Hector? Hector. Hector and yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:55

Vanessa.

SPEAKER_05 2:57

No!

SPEAKER_00 2:58

He's he's a Hector that can talk.

SPEAKER_05 3:00

Oh my gosh. I'm Josh. I'm Rachel. I'm Calvin. I'm confused.

SPEAKER_03 3:07

It's relatively terrible.

SPEAKER_02 3:08

I love you, but you're all terrible.

Who We Are And Why Daredevil

SPEAKER_02 3:12

Welcome back to the Relatively Terrible Podcast. We are the Uploads of Fun Family questioning culture with comedy and just enough dysfunction to feel relatable. Today we're talking about Daredevil Born Again Season One on Disney Plus. Re up your subscription now. Steal it from a neighbor, get it from a family member. I don't care. I'm not part of Disney. Do whatever you need to do to watch it because it's a great show. Describe

One-Sentence Pitches And Slogans

SPEAKER_02 3:38

Daredevil Born Again Season One in one sentence. Like the elevator pitch kind of thing. Bonus points, if you can make it sound like a campaign slogan, a legal threat, or a confession.

SPEAKER_06 3:53

Daredevil's back again, not stronger than ever, but with more conflict than ever. Calvin? Vanessa!

SPEAKER_03 4:01

Do you want to see a blind man kicking ass? This is the show for you. And I'm featured in Venusaur.

SPEAKER_05 4:09

Rachel? Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

Good luck.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

I can't follow any of those. Um. This is the most realistic and most bloody Marvel show to date.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

I was watching the show. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, don't hit me, don't hit me. I was watching the show. It was good. There's a blind guy. Just a big fat dude. He's got a hot wife, kind of. She's older.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

She's very attractive.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

She's yeah, whatever. I don't know how they got together. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

Um there's a lot of blood. There's a lot of blood. And uh um, you know, there's kind of a mid-season lol. There's kind of some episodes that are kind of throwaways, but for the most part, it's really good. Okay? Just don't hurt me.

SPEAKER_07 4:55

That was more than one sentence.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

Yeah. That was a whole that was a run-on sentence. Do you want to see my notes? That was a run-on sentence. No, I'm just kidding. I don't believe you. I don't have any notes.

Spoiler Warning And Ground Rules

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Daredevil born again season one, spoilers ahead. Spoilers ahead. Speaking of Daredevil Born Again Season One, okay. Good

What Worked Annoyed Made No Sense

SPEAKER_02 5:17

segue. Yes, kind of. What worked, what annoyed you, and what made no sense.

SPEAKER_06 5:26

What worked is Matt Murdoch. He's a very compelling character, and he's such a great good guy. You love him, even though his fighting scenes are brutal and he's blind. But his hearing abilities, the fact that he's able to hear your heartbeat. Yeah, that's cool. Those scenes are so cool. What annoyed me is his girlfriend. Heather was annoying.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Okay. Spider.

SPEAKER_06 5:52

I did not enjoy her character at all, especially as the season went on. And then by the end of it, you're just like, I'm through with her. I don't that she's oh. She just gets on your nerves. And I just can't stand her. What made no sense is the fact that Vanessa's lover Adam was obviously not killed by Kingpin. Vanessa did that. Well, Kingpin forced her to do it, obviously. But while he was torturing him, he beat him up very severely. I'm sorry. He was already starved, weak of body, mind, and spirit. And Fisk beat the crap out of you. Sorry, you're dead.

SPEAKER_04 6:31

I kind of thought he was. No, but like after that. I thought he was too. I thought he was dead. You can see him twitching.

SPEAKER_06 6:37

Yeah, I thought he was dead, though.

SPEAKER_04 6:40

No, you can see him twitching a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 6:42

I don't care. He would have been dead. If anything, if he was twitching, that almost seems like he had a seizure or something. Like some Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Or he was gonna have internal bleeding or something that was gonna kill him.

SPEAKER_06 6:54

Oh, that that made no sense to me.

SPEAKER_04 6:57

Calvin? What worked for me was the violence, the blood, and the gore isn't too much. It's like, yes, it's very intense, but it doesn't want me to like look away or be like, oh, that's oh, that's way too much. Like, I think it's perfect realistic, I guess, if you want to put it that way. You know.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Considering that most Marvel movies and shows have zero blood and zero That's ridiculous. The fight scenes are normally very fake. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:34

Uh what I found annoying was like Matt Murdoch was like, yeah, I'm not gonna kill anyone, but I'll beat you to a pulp, or I'll make you want to be dead. Yeah. Because man, that dude does not hold back.

SPEAKER_06 7:49

How does he know he's not killing him? Exactly. That's a good point. I was kind of with Punisher on that one. You might at that point, you might as well kill him. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:57

Um, and everything to me made sense. Okay. Honestly. I wasn't like, wait, that doesn't make sense. How how do these events connect? I wasn't confused at all. I thought it all made sense. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

So I think all the plot, all the plot points work and they work together. Rachel?

SPEAKER_00 8:14

I mean, I agree with you guys. Like everything in this show works for me. I will say, because of the intensity of the show, it's not something I want to binge. I don't mean that as a criticism, but like it is really intense. Um so it's it's something like I I'm enjoying one episode a day. I know that's driving you crazy, but I'm I'm liking that pacing. Um what annoys me at times is the way Fisk talks.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

Vanessa. It can be a bit much.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

And there are certain scenes where it's like, ooh, that didn't like, I don't know. But overall, it's not that bad.

SPEAKER_04 9:02

And just that deep voice, like, it's especially when he's talking to Vanessa. Vanessa, my love.

SPEAKER_03 9:08

What are we going to do? So we have to gather tonight. Oh.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Uh, and then what made no sense? I'm with Calvin. The only thing I'll say though is there's a lot of characters. So this is a show that I think for you, this is a rewatch of season one. That was very helpful. Yes. I could see the show being even better on a rewatch because it's a very full show. And yes, I do think there were a couple episodes in season one where they didn't advance the plot a whole ton. But by and large, a lot is happening in each episode. So you do really need to pay attention. Yeah. Um, again, not a really strong criticism, but it isn't something you you can watch super passively.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Yeah. What

Direction Details And Character Overload

SPEAKER_02 10:03

worked for me was I really loved how the series started. How you had the three from the original series and Foggy's Death, spoiler alert, and that whole first sequence with Bullseye and that one er in Josie's bar where they're going up the steps and it's just one camera angle the whole time following the shot. Um, all of the sound effects, especially like Jackson was talking about, like when he can hear the heartbeat and they zoom in on his ear, and there's actually a couple times where the screen expands. I don't know if you guys have noticed that. That is just really great attention to detail by the people who are producing this. I uh what annoyed me, I think, was there wasn't enough Punisher for me. I'd like a little more Punisher. Yes. But on the same hand, he does talk a little corny.

SPEAKER_04 10:56

That's what I'm saying. His introduction in Born Again, I thought was corny. I didn't think the introduction was corny. I think, yeah. Yeah, like the way he was talking on the corner.

SPEAKER_06 11:05

The way he talks is a little cringe. Yeah, he ski is more corny than Punisher personal opinion. Yes. See, I don't think that way. No.

SPEAKER_04 11:13

See, I don't understand how Punisher is going to be inspiring a brand new day.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

Oh, that makes Daredevil's gonna be there too. He better. Just because people have pointed it out in when you saw uh what was the last one? No way home. In the trailer, there was all kinds of stuff happening, and all kinds of characters were CG'd out, and then they were all of a sudden in the movie. Daredevil's gonna be in it because the all the red guys, yeah, they're called the hand. Okay, and that's a Daredevil villain. Okay. Oh. So there you go. Anyways, what made no sense to me is Heather kind of siding with Wilson Fisk and Vanessa Fisk and thinking that the vigilantes are bad and this and that. That, while I kind of get it, it was a stretch.

SPEAKER_00 12:01

Oh, I completely disagree with you on that.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

Oh, I didn't like the.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

I think she leaned that way anyway, but after her encounter with Muse, it completely pushed her over the edge.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

See, but how does anyone think Muse is a vigilante? He's a serial killer.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

And and that's where I think in in Heather's mind, she's she is confusing basically just the whole idea of a mask.

SPEAKER_07 12:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

And and I think the way Fisk talks about vigilantes, it's putting them all in the same bucket, which they are not. But now in Vanessa's head, because of such a traumatic experience, she is no longer separating the two. So they're just playing on her um trauma to get to manipulate her.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

I mean, I get that, it just made no sense to me. I think the other thing that makes no sense to me is Wilson Fisk is just a mayor, and he's like doing all this stuff, and I think you said it one time, like the governor would come right in, like the state, like what he's doing is absolutely crazy. Now, this is a poor example, like to compare, but it's like in Parks and Wreck when Leslie is a councilwoman and she's doing all this stuff, and it's like Yeah, no, this wouldn't be happening. Oh, she wouldn't, they wouldn't even have a debate on TV for council people.

Realism Debate And Missing Heroes

SPEAKER_02 13:22

No, but, anyways, I just it's not very realistic, but the reason I wanted to say that is because I want people who are watching this right now, this is a Marvel show. It is about a comic book, it is imagination for your brain, it is not real. If you find anything that connects to the real world and you think that they're trying to make a statement about that, I really think you're wrong. Yeah, because I just don't I just don't see it.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

And I, in my mind, what makes this show realistic is is like the lack of aliens, the lack of people with superpowers. Which, yeah, like I guess Matt Murdoch, yes, he had this chemical accident and his senses are heightened and everything, but he doesn't have traditional superpowers, he's not flying. And and in these fight scenes, he is also bloody most of the time by the end of them. Which is he takes a punch or two, so it's it's not like the typical Marvel fight scenes where the good guy is unharmed. That is not again, that to me is what makes this more realistic, not the politics, not those things.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

But also on the other hand, one thing we've talked about a lot with Marvel stuff is where are all the other superheroes? Yeah, like where's Spider-Man? Where's Spider-Man? Where's anyone? Doctor Strange is in New York. Yeah, because like it's going crazy there.

SPEAKER_04 14:48

What on Disney Plus they have like the MCU timeline, and Born Again is after No Way Home. Yeah. So where is Spider-Man?

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Spider-Man should be.

SPEAKER_02 14:57

Where is he? That's always the biggest problem with these for me, but that's just a common thread in Marvel shows. They can't afford it. Well, that's where the comic books win because they can do stuff like that.

SPEAKER_06 15:11

That's a good point. That's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 15:13

Because they've they've taken the time to build this whole universe, which is great, but then you're setting the viewers' expectation that, well, wait a minute, this is happening at the same time and same location where so-and-so is. Why aren't they intervening as well?

SPEAKER_02 15:28

Well, I wonder, like maybe I should crack open some of those comic books I have, like uh Daredevil's uh demon reign or whatever it is or something, and just see if there's any other heroes in there. Because I wonder if maybe it's the same thing with a comic book, because I don't read a lot of comic books, sorry. Um, I'm just wondering if it's the same thing, like you can't afford like the rights. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like Spider-Man can't be in everything, or maybe he can, I don't know.

Ridiculous Takes We Will Defend

SPEAKER_02 15:53

We finally arrived at the dumbest hill. So, what I want you to do is defend one ridiculous take about Daredevil Born Again season one. Jackson, what's your ridiculous take?

SPEAKER_06 16:05

Kingpin needs to be bigger in size. If you look at any of the comics, any of even in Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse, Kingpin, he's I'm not talking that big, but he needs to be. Yeah. He was this one, he he was massive. He wasn't really like in Born Again. He's just this big guy with big, you can see his muscles, you can see, he's just this 300-pound dude who's strong. Great. That's not really who Kingpin is. He's just this big, fat, bald guy who can kick ass. He's massive, man. He's supposed to be massive, and spoiler alert, but in season one, when he crushes the the police commissioner's head, your hands have to be at least twice the size of someone's head to be able to do that. That's where I found it to be a little bit ridiculous, but I liked the absurdness of that because that's how Kingpin needs to be. But in order to do that, he needs to be bigger in size. I I agree with that.

SPEAKER_04 17:01

Wow, that's a pretty great take.

SPEAKER_06 17:02

Yeah, that's just my opinion. Is this supposed to be a dumb hill, Jackson? Yeah, I don't know that was sorry.

SPEAKER_04 17:08

Oh, well, mine's gonna be dumb. Oh, okay. Well, here we go. Here we go. Toy Story 2. Sorry. Season one, episode one, is the worst episode of the show. You are. It is the most boring episode to me. Oh it has great moments. But when we were watching the episode, I found myself being like, okay, is this episode gonna end? Oh no, like after the first 15 minutes, I was like, okay, this episode is boring.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Yeah, you didn't get into it till the end of episode two, did you? Because it's it's setting it up.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

You can't have episode two without episode one.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Yeah, you can't have any of it without episode one.

SPEAKER_04 17:47

Where Foggy dies, where he's thrown. Yes, that's a great scene, but the rest of the episode is boring.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

How did Bullseye survive? I have no idea. Anyways, okay, that's dumb. That that is dumb as shit.

SPEAKER_04 17:59

Okay, what's your dumb hill?

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Um, my dumb hill is that in season one, one of the most interesting aspects of the whole season is Wilson and Vanessa's relationship. Because you start off with Wilson coming back and Vanessa's running the whole empire, and I honestly did not know how that was gonna go. Was she okay with him coming back? Was he okay with the fact that she had kept everything running? She had had an affair while he was gone. He promised not to kill the dude, which props to the writers because I think Wilson Fix that's what makes him a great character, is he technically keeps his promises, but what a master manipulator. But also, Vanessa is just as evil, maybe if not more so, than Fisk. And that was, you know, throughout the season, that is ultimately what what comes out. But I would not have been shocked at any point in time if one of them would have killed the other one. Like I really didn't, their dynamic is so effed up. I I thought it was like super interesting. I was really into that storyline of just their marriage, like their relationship, because they're both so evil that it's like I really don't know. Are they truly in this together or are they just using each other?

SPEAKER_05 19:31

Vanessa. I don't know. I think that's a dialogue. I think that's just a good point. Yeah. Vanessa, my mom.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

I mean, I've always I've always found it their relationship interesting, and it's been a thread even throughout the the Netflix version of the series, is their relationship.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

Like it's always very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

I just didn't think you guys necessarily would have found that maybe as interesting as I did. But I I think for me that's like a top three.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

I'm the only one who has like a dumb hill so far.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

Uh uh to me, that was like a a top three storyline going on was just their relationship and what where was it going, and were they gonna turn on each other, or were they truly sincere? Um towards each other.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

Okay, here's my dumb hill. Oh boy. I think Daredevil's costume should be tighter.

unknown 20:20

What?

SPEAKER_02 20:21

So I can see his little Daredevil.

SPEAKER_04 20:22

Oh, okay. All right. Is that your actual dumb hill?

SPEAKER_02 20:26

I think his costume should be tighter. It's too loose. No. It's not like a normal superhero costume. It needs to be tighter. I'm not trying to get warny on Matt Murdoch. I'm just saying it's just too loose. Which suit do you guys like better?

SPEAKER_04 20:38

The black and red or just the red.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Well, we haven't seen the black and red in season one. Oh. I'm just okay. Season two. Yeah, season two's is better. Okay. Tighter, blacker. Black one. Tighter, blacker, redder, lots of action. Next question. What? Oh, because you guys can't tell me why I'm not. Is that your actual dumb hill? Yes, it's because it's dumb. I understood the assignment.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

Okay. So did I?

SPEAKER_06 21:06

I thought you guys were gonna fight me on mine. Really? Yeah. Kingpin needs to be bigger. No.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

I mean I've always kind of thought that. I mean, I think he looks the best in Hawkeye.

SPEAKER_06 21:17

Yes, I agree, but I think he needs to be like if he's 315 now. He's 325. He's 325. Make him 500.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

And I just even remember, wasn't he? What I'm picturing in my head was the Spider-Man cartoon from when we were kids. And Kingpin, I remember showed up in that. And yeah, he was comically large.

SPEAKER_02 21:36

Yeah, in all of the Kingpin stuff, like his head is like this little pool ball, and then his body's like just this. Probably hard to film too. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:50

But he's gotta be somewhat big. Like right now, he's just he's not big enough for me.

SPEAKER_02 21:56

Yeah, he was like the size uh I think what helps it out. Is his gravitas like that he has?

SPEAKER_00 22:03

Yeah, I think he's very commanding menacing.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Vanessa were no, not that.

SPEAKER_04 22:09

But if they were to go off the look What was that? What? He was like Vanessa. But if they were if they were able if they went off the look of Kingpin from Into the Spider-Verse, yeah, that would look dumb. Oh, that would look dumb. That would look dumb.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

But I I mean, but we all agree though that Vincent D'Nafrio, like I I really can't picture another actor right now who could play Kingpin.

SPEAKER_06 22:32

Nah. The rock.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

No, stop.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

It's about drive, it's about power. I got me, I got my own deodorant brand. Oh, what can you say except you're welcome? Live action. Moana. Resilient hairline. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

Alright.

Why Fans Care And Views Dropped

SPEAKER_02 22:53

So why are people so into this Daredevil series right now? What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_06 22:58

It's more realistic. They're the underdog characters, more bloody, more action while still having a good story. It's as simple as that. It's not your, it's not She-Hulk, which was a giant piece of.

SPEAKER_04 23:13

The first episode was good, though.

SPEAKER_06 23:14

First episode, you know, you were like, yeah, this is gonna be good.

SPEAKER_04 23:17

The rest of it, you're just like No, the first, I think it was the first three episodes were decent. No, and then it just went off a cliff. After episode one, it went.

unknown 23:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

Honestly, the best part of She-Hulk was when Daredevil showed up. Oh, yeah, he is in that. But it was brief. It was so brief.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

But he had the yellow and red. Oh.

SPEAKER_06 23:35

Kitchup and mustard, too. Yeah, I can't stand that. Wasn't great. Oof. Wasn't great.

SPEAKER_04 23:39

I think people are into this show because people who really enjoy the Netflix series are like, oh, they're doing Born Again, and it's gonna be connected to the MCU universe. Heck yeah. I think that's why. And it's a great show. I don't know why 60% of the viewership.

SPEAKER_06 23:58

Yeah. Why I don't know why 60% of the viewership has gone down.

SPEAKER_00 24:02

For season two.

SPEAKER_06 24:03

For season two. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:04

Well that makes no sense. And now it's rumored that like season three is only gonna be four episodes.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

Well, let's not talk about that because that upsets me. But I've seen people talking about that, and it's not just Daredevil. There's a number of shows right now, like Bridgerton and Beef, and a couple where their subsequent seasons, the viewership has just um significantly tanked. So there might be a larger thing going on there. But I mean I think Daredevil, I think a couple things are going on there, but I think number one, we all know the last couple Marvel things have not been great, and they've gotten corny, and there's just been places they've been afraid to go. Um and this is this is more for lack of a better term, this is uh more adult. Um, this is there's there's F-bombs, there's Blood. F-bombs? Um, yeah, there this is definitely a more adult dark series. And also I think there's just something about the lack of aliens and the fact that no, none of what's happening in Daredevil is happening in America today. But it is, it's terrifying to consider that maybe this could happen. And what is especially scary about it is that Fisk understands human nature and he understands what people want, and he's got them manipulated into thinking he's giving it to them.

SPEAKER_07 25:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

And so they are buying into what he's selling while you know he's he's got his own agenda going on. And that's that's really um, I think what's scary about it. But I think there's just more to sink your teeth into in this show than than other Marvel ones, and maybe I think frankly, than other what other new shows are out right now that are even remotely comparable to something like this. I I don't know of any nothing, nothing really.

SPEAKER_06 26:11

Even Vince Gilligan's new show, Pluribus, wasn't that great. I didn't enjoy it. That's kind of shocking.

SPEAKER_02 26:17

It's a slow burn, it was decent, but we'll see. I've got to give it, I've gotta see where it goes. But I will say, with all that being said, that's that's what I was gonna say. Is I really think people are just looking for something good to watch, and here it is. The reason it dropped, I think, is uh short-sighted of people. They're trying to connect this to the current culture, and they're saying we don't want to watch this because this is what's happening. No, if this is what was happening in our culture, you would be pooping your pants every day. You would move, you wouldn't be here, you know. And again, the main difference is this is happening in one city. It's happening in one city, yeah, not across the United States, so that's a big difference right there. It's fantasy, it's supposed to be entertaining.

SPEAKER_06 27:03

If you believe that that's what's happening in our world, but if that's if that's what you see in this show, but you believe that a blind guy can be a superhero. Good point. Yeah, yeah. That doesn't make sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 27:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

There I just I just think people are looking, especially us, we're always looking for something good to watch. And we found something and it's very good. And I think it's as simple as that. Like it's a good show. Um, yeah, I could be a super nutbag critic and rip it apart. You can do that with literally anything that comes out of it. Everything it's art, it's subjective, and everyone has a different opinion.

SPEAKER_07 27:45

Yeah.

Fixing The Middle And Merch Ideas

SPEAKER_02 27:46

All right, in Daredevil Born Again Season One, would you fix the middle stretch? Would you, which is like the like the middle episodes? Okay. Would you make Mayor Fisk even more absurd? Or would you cash in on fake campaign merch, church candles, or or law firm promo type stuff?

SPEAKER_06 28:04

Oh, I'm making Fisk more absurd. He's gotta be bigger. He's gotta be bigger.

SPEAKER_03 28:10

Yeah, and then he would tell her, yes, Venusaur, my love, ventilate, Jabba Fisk.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

He came if dude came and fit through a doorway.

SPEAKER_06 28:21

I mean, I'm not saying that big, but I mean if that's what he looks like at 325, maybe up it to 500. Let's see how he looks. He'll be big, but he won't look like he does MMA every day.

SPEAKER_02 28:34

Yeah. I just don't think they want to have to put him in the makeup chair for a couple hours before each episode because they'd have to do the neck. Yeah. Because his neck is just it's the skinniest part, and that's where you can really tell that he's not a fat guy.

SPEAKER_06 28:46

I met him at Dragon Con. I shook his hand. He was so skinny. He's so skinny. It was weird. How old is he? Did you look at him and be like, you liar? No, but it was weird because one, he's not bald. Nope. No. He has a decent set of hairs. He has a decent set of hairs. Sure. Yeah. He he's got a beard. Yeah. And he's very soft-spoken, too. He has he's not like Vanessa. Yeah. He doesn't talk to people like that. Thank God. Oh, that would no, I kind of wanted that.

SPEAKER_04 29:20

Intimidating. Man, I would not be able to take him serious. Oh, nice to meet you, Kevin.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

Dude, if he's at Dragon Con this year, you're gonna go show him your impression. Okay. You have to. Yeah. Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_05 29:32

I'll dress up like him too. Vanessa.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

Just give him a white suit.

SPEAKER_05 29:38

And a bald cap. And about 400 extra pounds. Mr. Dinofio.

SPEAKER_03 29:44

I love you as most kinfist kin the devil. But these vigilantes, we need to get rid of.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

I love New York. Man, can you imagine getting slapped by Vincent Dinaffio? Oh, that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_04 29:56

Dang.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

Hey, that hey, you'd win. You'd get a couple million dollars, probably. Rach? Or Cal?

SPEAKER_04 30:02

I think I'm gonna cash in and make this like ball toy. And like, what it is, it's the head of like that officer, and like you can squeeze the ball. What you mean of the The police commissioner. Yeah. Oh, police commissioner. And like you can squeeze it like a squishy ball? Yeah, like this did to that dude. Oh my gosh. Damn, Kel.

SPEAKER_02 30:27

Wow. That is not a bad idea. I think we should do that.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

That could be my fidget spinner. So you're gonna cash in on merch that's very violent. Okay, Rach?

SPEAKER_00 30:38

I mean, I think I'm cashing in as well. I don't fix the middle. I don't even know what that means. I I thought the middle episodes were great. Even the episode uh where the whole episode takes place in the bank.

SPEAKER_06 30:51

I thought that was a good episode.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

I thought that was a great episode. I mean, I get it that it didn't advance the plot a ton. Like it it moved the needle a little, but not not a ton for a full 50-odd minute episode. But I thought it was entertaining. Like, I don't have anything to fix. I think I would I would cash in.

SPEAKER_05 31:07

What are you making?

SPEAKER_00 31:09

Um that I don't know. I think probably something Catholic, though. I think the whole Catholicism uh aspect of this is really interesting.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

Um I love some of the prayers that he's been saying.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

The yes, Saint Lucia in particular is Well, that is a big part of his character in the comics.

SPEAKER_04 31:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:33

His Catholic upbringing daredevil. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:36

Oh, you know what would be interesting as merch? You know, one of those candles you always see of celebrities on there, but it's like there's but it's uh it's uh kingpin, but in the Pope's clothing because he already wears so much white on mark.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

But how would you fit that candle in your house? It would be an extra large candle. Yeah. This thing, I mean the size of that light.

SPEAKER_06 32:00

No, it would be shaped like Fisk.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

As Fisk as Fisk, dressed as the Pope, but it would just end up looking like a penis. Yeah. Oh my god. I'm Wilson Fisk. Vote for me. Finito!

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Just got that little flame going on his head.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

He's a flamer. Okay, I would fix the middle because I will say we are watching season two. Not gonna say anything about season two. It's peak. Um, but the pacing of that season is much more intense, and there's something in every episode. Everything's important. Yeah, I like that more. There was a couple episodes. Yes, the bank episode is one is the one where there's like a bank robbery. It's decent, but it doesn't really advance the plot that much. There's I feel like there's a lot of not a lot, but there's a little bit more filler. It felt like a more like a typical Marvel show at points. And in this new season, it feels like they're like, hey, hey, hey, let us let us make the show.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Season two has tightened up. Yeah. That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 33:04

Okay. That being said, they did what I wanted. They f they fixed the middle. So that's what I would do. So

Ratings And One-Line Sendoff

SPEAKER_02 33:12

now let's rate Daredevil, uh Born Again, season one, on our relatively terrible rating scale, which is relatively great, good, fine, questionable, exhausting, or terrible.

SPEAKER_00 33:27

Well, you got that all in one go.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

Why do you just ruined it by saying that though? I believe in that. Wait, so what's the top one?

SPEAKER_00 33:33

People need to know. That is a mouthflow. What's the top one?

SPEAKER_02 33:37

Great. Okay. All right. Alright, Jackson, you start. I did it, and and now we can't use it.

SPEAKER_00 33:41

No, I'm using it. People need to know.

SPEAKER_04 33:43

Alright, Jackson, you start. Relatively good. Relatively great.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

Relatively good.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

Relatively good. Last thing for Daredevil Born Again Season 1. Leave the internet with one sentence. Go, Jackson.

SPEAKER_06 34:00

For the 60% of you viewers out there that stopped watching Daredevil, start watching it again. Very good. Calvin?

SPEAKER_05 34:08

I'm Mayor Fist. And I love New York. Okay, Rachel.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

Blind has never looked so good.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

Damn, I have to follow that.

SPEAKER_06 34:20

That's good. I like that.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

Great start for a great superhero. His name is Daredevil.

SPEAKER_06 34:31

You know what I kind of wanted Kingpin to do? I kind of I don't know why this came into my head, but I wanted him to be like Steve from Minecraft and him to start just like singing a song.

SPEAKER_03 34:43

Oh, Vanessa, lava, lava, chicken.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

It would be so vanessa. You need to like on fire. You need to like go into one of these.

SPEAKER_03 34:53

Keep fisking it.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

One of these AI apps and make a video. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:59

Okay, okay. What

What Was Good This Week

SPEAKER_02 35:01

was good this week? What was not terrible this week? TupeloCon was really fun. I had a very good time. We got to hold a baby kangaroo.

SPEAKER_03 35:11

Kangaroo!

SPEAKER_02 35:12

Kangaroo, uh a mini, what was it? A finger monkey? Marmoset monkey. Marmoset monkey, also known as a finger monkey. And a Cayman. You held the Cayman, yeah. I held the Cayman, which was shocking that I held the Cayman.

SPEAKER_00 35:27

I'm surprised you didn't.

SPEAKER_06 35:28

I want I wanted to hold the monkey. I've held a lot of reptiles. I've never held a monkey.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

I knew when I saw that picture of you holding that thing like a baby, I was like, that's Calvin's animal. Hold a little baby.

SPEAKER_06 35:41

That's how everyone was supposed to hold the cat.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

Yeah, no, but Calvin's always holding the cat like that. So I was.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

Because I hold the cat like that. Like in the morning I pick him up and he lo he lets me do that. Yeah. Which is weird.

SPEAKER_07 35:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:52

Anything else good?

unknown 35:54

Hmm.

SPEAKER_07 35:54

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Oh, we got tickets to see Deep Purple. Hoorah. Huh? I'm gonna have to wake them up from their nap. Hey, next song.

SPEAKER_05 36:07

Next You already played that one again.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

Do you need your Geritol?

SPEAKER_00 36:12

Geritol?

SPEAKER_02 36:15

I wouldn't know what that is. Oh my god, the bass player's on the ground. What's he saying?

SPEAKER_00 36:19

I fool, okay, good up. Geritol actually probably aged you.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

I don't even know what Geritol is. I just heard it.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

Polydent.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

I bet they still make polydant. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 36:35

I'm sorry, Jackson. No, that's fine. They are old. They're old.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

They're old.

SPEAKER_02 36:39

Like I'm talking 70s, 80s old, right? But you know what?

SPEAKER_00 36:42

That's old as old as good. They've honed their craft, right?

SPEAKER_06 36:46

Yeah, well, it's funny because we talked to the one dude at TupeloCon and he said, Yeah, they can still do it. And I was like, yes, because he said Sammy Hagar, oh don't do it. And then he said Rod Stewart. He said Rod Stewart has his daughter sing most of the stuff.

SPEAKER_02 37:01

I'm from Rod Stewart. I I want Rod in my steward starting it. Do you have anything that was good this week? Oh, you were you had some peace and quiet for a couple days and you had your weekend pasta.

SPEAKER_00 37:14

I did. It's I don't want to live like that. But every once in a while, just two days at home where I don't have anything to do. The house is quiet. But once I get beyond like two days, then I start think I like I have to feel productive.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Hey, what's in nine days?

SPEAKER_04 37:35

Bill Murray. But that's not this week, though, so I can't say that.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Uh, right now is this week, and it's nine days from today. So you can say there's nine days till Bill Murray.

SPEAKER_06 37:44

You know what? I'm so excited about this concert. So you guys will shut the hell up about it. I might, I might cry.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

Watch it. He's gonna be ass. This is gonna be trash. I'm gonna be like a girl in 1987 at a Michael Jackson concert, like screaming my full head off crying. And I might nap.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

He got me put inside there!

SPEAKER_05 38:06

Oh my god, this guy is so lovely. Kyle's gonna be like I'm getting the f out of here.

SPEAKER_06 38:11

Oh, Cal. Oh, that's one thing you can say. We should we listen to Michael Jackson. Ooh.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

Nope. Yes, no. He doesn't give a shit about that either. Damn.

SPEAKER_07 38:21

Alright.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

He doesn't give many shits. I do. Okay. And that was relatively terrible. I love New York.