A Family Argues That 6-7 Means Nothing And Our Algorithms Know It

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A two-word meme with zero meaning shouldn’t run the internet—yet here we are. We start with “6'7” and follow the thread through the machinery that makes nonsense go viral: algorithms tuned for outrage, copy‑paste content that drowns craft, and a metrics game that rewards noise over thought. It’s funny until it isn’t, especially when kids are thrown into a world where attention is currency and guardrails are optional.

We get personal about doomscrolling and the subtle pull of rage bait, then dig into the parasocial economy where creators ask you to pay for closeness while offering little of substance. From there, the conversation turns to safety and parenting online: how to set real boundaries, why adult‑child interactions on the internet are never neutral, and the practical steps we use—supervise, block, and disengage instead of debate. The goal isn’t to ban phones; it’s to raise kids who can navigate feeds without getting dragged under.

AI enters the chat with a hard truth: most people can’t tell the difference between tool and authorship. We call for an honest approach—use AI to draft, explore, and learn, but own your voice and your process. Discernment is the skill that keeps you from mistaking a polished fake for real craft. That leads into a bigger gripe with education: multiple‑choice testing teaches guessing, not thinking. Writing, sourcing, and context teach you how to build an argument and spot bad ones, whether they come from a viral clip or a cherry‑picked quote.

By the end, we circle back to what matters: meaning over metrics. Curate your feeds. Reward creators who make original work. Teach kids to verify before they share. And when a trend like “6'7” takes over your timeline, laugh if you must—but ask what it says about the system pushing it to you. If this conversation resonates, tap follow, share it with a friend who doomscrolls at midnight, and leave a quick review so more curious folks can find us.

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Cold Open: The 6'7 Meme

SPEAKER_03 0:00

6'7!

SPEAKER_02 0:01

That's what we're talking about today on relatively terrible. Probably one of the worst memes ever to grace the planet Earth. No, it's not 6'7.

SPEAKER_01 0:10

No, that means our generation can actually count. So Yeah, yeah. One, two, two.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

So you're gonna claim that as your generation, Jackson. I thought I taught you better. Hold on. I thought I taught you better. I love you, but you're all terrible. This is relatively terrible. I'm Josh. I'm Rachel. I'm Calvin. I'm 6'7. Listen.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

6'7 is not that bad.

SPEAKER_02 0:32

It is that bad. Because let me ask you a question, Calvin. Explain 6'7 to me right now. Go ahead. 6'7. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

But it's going to be generational. Kids? Our grandkids will be saying that. Calvin knows they won't.

SPEAKER_04 0:46

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Oh my God. Dad, that you lived through the origin of that, can't you?

SPEAKER_01 0:52

It's going to be generational. But why you don't even know why you're saying it. You know, past generations could say, I live through Vietnam. We live through Watergate. Calvin's going to be like, we live through 6'7. And the pandemic. Okay, let me see. The pandemic. Pandemic.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

6'7. I'd rather have another pandemic. Why? You wouldn't go that far. This is, but no one can explain it to me. And I know like his generation, well, you just don't get it.

SPEAKER_03 1:19

You're old.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

It's stupid as heck. Of course it's not.

SPEAKER_03 1:25

I don't know. It's just something you would say.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

It's so ridiculous to the point it becomes funny. It's not, I've never once laughed at 6'7. I only laugh because Calvin laughs. Any time Calvin does it and he's like 6! It just makes me ch chuckle a little bit.

Generational Humor Clash

SPEAKER_05 1:43

But it's bad when you're sitting in church and the pastor says 78.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

And Calvin.

SPEAKER_05 1:49

Warning 100%.

SPEAKER_04 1:50

And you said look at each other and you're going, ooh, like, I mean.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

It's pretty good. I mean. Rach, what did you? You saw something online where people were comparing it to something in the past.

SPEAKER_05 2:01

Well, they're comparing it to stuff from the 90s where it's different Beavis and Butthead sayings and stuff that was popular for.

SPEAKER_02 2:08

You mean like corn holio? Yeah. Okay, but see, no. Because corn holio, he was talking about his butthole, his cornhole, corn holio, and he became like this, I am cornolio. Like, no, that's not the same album. There's no thought put behind it.

SPEAKER_05 2:25

So, but let me ask you, like, for real though. I think I know what six, seven means.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

What? It's just no mom. There's no meaning. There's no meaning. It's just six six. That's the numbers. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 2:36

I thought, I thought it meant it's like mid, like six, seven.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

It's literally just six, seven. And it's a hand motion. That's all it is. Why does six nine mean something so bad and six, seven mean nothing? Well never.

SPEAKER_02 2:50

Sixty-nine actually meant something, and it was a way of saying that thing without getting in trouble. Six, seven, that's what that's what parents are thinking, though, that it's something bad. And it's not, and it means nothing.

SPEAKER_05 3:02

I it almost seems worse to me though that it's meaningless. Yes, it's true. You're just saying gibberish, then. Like you don't mean anything.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

But their generation has figured out that we are literally living in, I hate to drop a stranger things reference, but a hive mind, where as long as we get enough people to agree that this is funny or this is a thing, it becomes a thing.

SPEAKER_05 3:25

Oh, and that's that's spanning all kinds of different things.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

But that is the worst thing that you can do as a society is like, let's, as long as everyone screams loud enough about a certain topic or subject, that means it's right. It's that woke mindset. It is a woke mindset of if everyone is agreeing with this, it must be something. It's even stupid to hear the kid who's called the 6'7 kid. Oh he's he even said like he's the 6'7 kid. He claims it, but he says he heard it from someone else.

SPEAKER_01 3:59

I mean, how stupid do you have to be? Well, it's not like you invented the number, bro. Jesus did. Jesus invented 6'7?

SPEAKER_02 4:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:08

No, the numbers.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Okay. I was gonna say, I was gonna say, you were gonna have to go wash your mouth out with stuff. That is so disrespectful to associate Jesus in 6'7. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 4:20

See, and I thought it was bad. I saw something months ago, maybe even a year ago, talking about like how our generation we talk in or text in um emojis. Okay. And like their generation, they don't do that. They think that's stupid. But again, so yeah, I and I know, I yeah. And I think that's almost kind of ridiculous, but I definitely do that. Like, even at work on Teams, I will use I use the thumbs up a lot. I you know what I mean? And but but everyone knows what a thumbs up means. It's not good meaningless. You guys have taken it like a step further to where now you're saying shit that doesn't mean that's a good thing. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

Don't put us into that. At least don't put me into that. I hate it when it's your generation.

SPEAKER_05 5:08

It's your generation. I'm not saying you, I'm saying it's your generation.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

They literally like to take things that people who are a little bit older than that they like to do and they say, That's lame now. Yeah. Do you realize how stupid your generation is? They call jerking off gooning now and sex. You and then if there's any girl out there who a guy approaches them and says, hey, baby, you want to goon? And you say yes, you need to be sterilized instantly. Like your eggs and that kid's sperm need to be wiped off the face of this planet.

SPEAKER_03 5:43

Keep his dick seven, six to seven yards away from me. You just ruined my ranks. And don't let don't let him goon. See, why would you do that? Why would you do that? You can't think of anything. Your generation is so stupid. You can't think of anything better than gooning. I'm a small mum. What would you call it? Not gooning!

SPEAKER_04 6:07

It already has it already has words.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

But hold on, let's say there's all kinds of different euphemisms and ways to say sex and um Well, and a goon already like a bad That's already a word.

SPEAKER_05 6:23

That's already a turn. You guys aren't even coming up with anything new, you're just repurposing an already existing word.

Numbers, Slang, And Meaninglessness

SPEAKER_02 6:29

Even if it was you want a six, seven, baby, that I would understand that more at least. Remember when we put out seven, two? What? Yeah. So in that one thing when we put out seven two, seventy-two means something horrible, apparently. Oh my god. Yes, and what sense? Like sexual.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

Oh the lady the two and you're the seven.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

No. The yeah, the lady's the seven and the man is the two.

SPEAKER_03 6:58

What?

SPEAKER_02 6:58

I'm not that flexible. It's not about being flexible. It's not. And this is this is on Urban Dictionary. If you look up 7-2, you can find out what it means. And to me, it is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 7:10

Okay, do you want to explain? Did you ever tell people why you did 72?

SPEAKER_02 7:15

7-2 is because Jackson's Spotify age was 72. And we all thought that was hilarious. And I put that in the comments, but no one like oh, look at the Urban Dictionary.

SPEAKER_03 7:24

This is terrible. These guys are bad. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

Like, can you tell us in like the most PG terms? Oh, yes. Alright.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

Because I can because I'm smarter than these people who say gooning. I can figure out PG terms to tell you what 7-2 means. Oh my gosh. Um, if a lady would prefer her southern her southern backside region to be to be um lollipoped with a man's mouth lollipop.

SPEAKER_03 8:00

Then that's what's so scene. Who came up with that? Who was like seven two means? Well, you just okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

I just I just thought of something. I feel bad for making for their generation because do you know that's the same? So have you ever heard of someone say they're getting their salad tossed?

SPEAKER_05 8:22

No. That's the same thing.

unknown 8:25

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

What? And that is the dumbest thing to be in the world because it's like, who came up with that and how does that connect? How did that permeate culture?

SPEAKER_05 8:36

How did that I don't want to know?

SPEAKER_02 8:38

I don't know. And uh, you know, anyways. When you said lollipop, that song came into my head.

SPEAKER_03 8:43

Lollipop lollipop.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

One and like the lollipop replaces the word lick.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

Yeah, no kidding. Okay, you guys are from the sixth, seven, seventh generation. I have to explain everything to these a-holes.

SPEAKER_02 8:54

We don't participate really in it. Calvin participated. Somebody yesterday on our video on TikTok, when it said, Is this me from 1995? They're like, I don't understand what that means. They're a dumbass. They're and that brings me to our next point. That is one thing we're gonna do here on Relatively Terrible that we talked about. All right, relatively terrible, we've decided is it's gonna be our family's take on the culture, on current culture and how it is. And that's why we wanted to talk about 6-7 and just social media in general, right now, is a cesspool of regurgitated videos, people reacting, same thing over and over and over and over again. And you know, one of the ways I know this is because our relatively terrible Instagram account is is brand new. Yeah. So when you scroll through the feed now, you see what people see when they get on these apps, and it is freaking stupid. There's nothing original, there's nothing good. I haven't seen anything that I've recognized, I haven't seen any people that are creators that I recognize that are actually good creators. It's just crap and crap upon crap upon crap. And let's be honest, all these algorithms are rage baiting all these kids. They want you to watch the terrible things, they want you to watch the bad stuff. And you know, honestly, if you're watching this and you're you're one of those people that's doom scrolling, it's your fault. And I will I will admit to it too. I some of the stuff like about government and people getting pulled over by the cops and all this stuff, I watch it and I catch myself watching it, and I'm like, why am I doing this? So why why do you guys think it's that way?

Social Media As A Cesspool

SPEAKER_05 10:55

I think I think it's because people care more about likes and views than anything else. And they will do whatever it takes. They will comment terrible things to get attention, they will post terrible things to get attention, they will, I mean, and then they and then they could just come up, it's like, and then they just are like constantly throwing shit at a wall just to see what will stick, what will get them attention, and why why do we have this need to get recognized by strangers? Who cares? And I and again, and then there's just no integrity for what you're getting attention for. Who wants to be famous for this? Who wants to get attention?

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Well, back to the back to the 6'7 kid. Do you really want to be known for that, dude?

SPEAKER_05 11:50

Like, like, is that really something to be proud of? Like, you're not gonna put that on a resume. And I'm sorry, and at the end of 2026, that will be completely gone. And something will have replaced it.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:02

Something will replace it. All of that is temporary.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

Well, the only time I ever catch myself doom scrolling is when I'm bored out of my mind. And then I usually stop the cycle of Doom Scrolling, because there's nothing on there that's worth scrolling about. And that's that's the only thing I have to say about it. Because other than that, yeah, there is no reason to to do scroll. Because it's like, yeah, same.

SPEAKER_05 12:28

It's just you're bored, you just you know.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

It's all the same content, same format, and everything, just I guess different people doing it. It's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 12:38

I mean, that's a trend right there. It's it's the same thing over and over and over by the same person doing the same thing. And that's what they want because they don't really want to, these algorithms and these social media platforms, they don't really want to help anyone but themselves. And anyone that thinks differently, I I've got a bridge to sell you, I'll give it to you for like a dollar. Because especially when you see all these things when you're on a brand new account, there's there's nothing, there's no substance to it at all. There's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_05 13:11

Well, and even when you even, okay, make fun of me, but Bookstagram, right? That's people on Instagram who talk about books, right? Even within that niche. 15 minutes of instruments of this. But even within that niche area, what does what does Instagram want me to see? It wants me to see the same people talking about the same books. It shows me the same argument about whether audiobooks are actually reading or not. And it's showing me another person starting a Patreon to join their book club online. Why in the hell am I gonna give you money to read to join your book club? I I do not understand this, and that's the other thing about social media that kills me is like people who are not offering you anything, but they want you to pay them. What what are you giving me? How many meaningless, empty Patreon accounts are out there where it's just and again, I'm not saying don't support creators or people that you like, but they're literally just it's like you're paying for friendship. I or paying for it doesn't, it doesn't again, it's you're it doesn't ring true, it's false. It's giving you this sense of like fr we're not we're not close like that, and why am I giving you money for it?

SPEAKER_02 14:40

It's the parasocial relationship, it's a paraso.

SPEAKER_05 14:42

But I'm paying for it, which is even worse.

Rage Bait And Doomscrolling

SPEAKER_02 14:44

Because you're like the people that pay for it are trying to extend it and make it more realistic. And the thing that really sucks as a content creator, and I can speak into this in uh for I could be very long-winded about this. I'll try to be short, but we answer comments. Right. We have Patreon that we put actual like we know what's you're actually giving something to try. We're putting out videos every day, we're going live, we're doing this podcast, we're trying to connect with our audience on a deeper level, and yet I see people who just throw stuff up there, and as long as it's the bullshit garbage that they want, it's great. And the and the thing is, they're not becoming famous, they're not becoming an influencer, they're just it's a quick cash grab for them. And that's and that's all it is, and no one will ever know their name, and that's what the social media apps want. Yeah, that's their agenda. They want each of them, just think of each social media app like another influencer. They're trying to be the most popular ones. Right, right. That's why TikTok was so popular and still is, because you can get views on there, but it doesn't mean anything. Yeah. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything. I mean, I usually what I'll do is I'll go to if I'm on TikTok and I find someone I really like, or I'm just being a dick and I'm like, hmm, you've got a million on TikTok. Let's Instagram, 500. Knew it. Because they can't get views anywhere else. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

Well, I hate to say this, but it is kind of true. Uh kids aren't getting enough attention at home. So what are they gonna do? They're gonna go online, get their social media, and start posting videos. You're right. You are very right. That's what happens. That's why. Their daddy left. Yeah, exactly. Even though it is, we do laugh at that. There is there's some truth to that.

SPEAKER_02 16:31

And that's why you're right.

SPEAKER_05 16:33

You're very right.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

And the other side of that, too, is that's why social media apps um moderate the way they do because there's no one parenting the kids, and the parent, this their legal guardian, wants the app to do all the work.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

What scared me was when, for those of you that don't know, I had a lot of reptiles. I'm down to only two now, but I had about six or seven that I had, and I got rid of all of them. I re-homed them, and I did it through Facebook. You These are full grown-ass adults that were mess that I was messaging trying to get these animals to new homes with. They couldn't type a complete sentence out. They didn't use punctuation. They and it just scared me so badly. It really opened my mind to oh my gosh, these people are stupid.

SPEAKER_05 17:30

It's not just the kids, it's like the adults and their the the adults and the parents and their lives are like just as bad. So what are these kids supposed to do?

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Well, and what's scary, especially on TikTok, is not only the videos that they're watching, but have you gone on those lives that they have on TikTok? I'm not even on. We've seen first handedly some of the people that invite us. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

You've got to jump out of those rooms really quickly. Oh my gosh, a little kid seeing something like that? Oh. Well, think about apps like Omegle and things like that, where people are randomly that's why they've all gotten shut down because basically every other person has their privates out.

SPEAKER_05 18:10

I think this kind of leads into the next point, is what I personally think is dangerous about 6-7 and about social media and kind of where we are, is that the thing that we are drastically lacking within our culture today, and I'm I'm saying it about people my age and younger, is we have no critical thinking skills. We have no discernment. And I think it's going to just get worse because so we've got like the rage bait, and people posting stuff that's not real and fake news. And now with AI, like how many people are watching things and thinking that's real?

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Well, I'm glad you brought up rage bait because I put up a video on Instagram yesterday, like my top five guitarists.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

I got comments on that video, which was really irregular, except for that one post I did of us that got a bunch. Normally I get zero comments, but this one got a couple. And someone said, you know, rage bait is supposed to be believable. And oh, I had this message typed out. I was like, you don't even know what rage bait is, and I like was swearing at them, but I like bleeped it out in a message, and I was just like, I'm gonna block them. Like, just that was not worth it. How was that rage bait? That's see, people don't even know what rage bait is anymore. Yeah, that's my personal list.

SPEAKER_05 19:37

Again, your opinion, right? Right? Like, there's a difference between rage bait content and just like, hey, here's my opinion. These are my favorite things, or these are things that I like. Again, no discernment. And again, why are you getting into arguments with people online that you don't know?

Parasocials, Patreons, And Algorithms

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Well, and it's funny because people don't know true talent. If you hit him in the face with it. There's this one guy I follow on Instagram. He's a musician and he turns like he did what if Z Z Top bro Enter Sandman. And he literally does the music himself and sings. It was incredible. And he has a bunch of stuff up there like that. A hundred thousand followers.

SPEAKER_05 20:18

Yeah. But another account that's going to be all AI generated songs will have a million.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

Yeah, it's very true. And we even we've gotten accused when I did my our Barney buttons where I did Barney covering Snoop songs. Somebody's like, oh, I love your AI songs. And I was like, what AI songs are you talking about? Because I was really confused. And they were like, the Barney ones with Snoop. And I was like, I wrote the lyrics, I recorded those. Obviously, I use the tune from the songs. I wasn't trying to hide that.

SPEAKER_05 20:48

But AI couldn't have written written those.

SPEAKER_02 20:51

No, AI can't do comedy. AI is is really right now it's hurting us because it's so new. Yeah. And no one really knows what it is. And also, people don't even know that people are using AI because a lot of times they don't say it. They just take credit for it. They're like, hey, I look what I did, look what I created. Check out this song. It's amazing. It's like, you didn't even do that. And does the person watching you realize they can do the same thing in two seconds? Yep. Yeah. And I and I hate that. I think it's so stupid. AI should be used. You should learn how to use it. It's technology you should keep up on, but it should not be the thing you're using to create a final product. If you do, you are not a creator. You are not an artist. Now, the caveat there is I will say there are some AI artists out there, and I've seen some of their work, and it is insanely cool and like actually art, and I don't know how they're doing it. And I think they might only be calling themselves AI artists just to kind of hit the algorithm better. Because it's it looks like classic art and it's original. And then there's some people that can go into Sora. I don't know if you guys have seen this, and they can literally they know how to code it to like make a 15-second movie. And you can go in there in their prompt, you can look at their prompt and it looks like code that would go in the back of a website, and it is crazy. That stuff is different. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:18

But if you're going and writing a prompt, I think for average Joe right now using AI, and I think as more I think there's still a decent portion of people who are afraid of it. But I think especially in the next two years or so, as average Joe people start to use AI, it's going to become even more clear, hopefully, more clear to people who is using AI and who isn't. Because again, it's got limitations. It's not a person. So I think it's already fairly easy to spot the AI videos. But again, we have no discernment. We're not teaching our kids how to think critically. I mean, how many times in the last five years have you guys been like, oh, have you seen this story? Did you hear about this? It's like, that's not real. How do you know it's not real? Let's talk about how we know that's not real. What do you like? What do you look for? I mean, even at my job, I have to go through security training and things to be able to identify phishing emails. And what do you look for? And all of that is actually becoming way more advanced. Like phishing emails today are not all full of spelling errors and from it's very it's getting more and more nuanced how they're going about it. And I just don't know why we're not talking to our kids about similar things. Like, how do you identify when somebody's reaching out to you and when do you decide to engage with someone and when don't you?

SPEAKER_02 23:43

And isn't that why kids, and this is a this is a very sensitive subject. And I'm just I'm just gonna like preface it with that. And I'm not saying all parents are like this and this is and this is not why this has happened to all the kids that this has happened to, but cyberbullying.

SPEAKER_05 24:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

I think cyberbullying is a has to be a symptom of a non-parented child. Oh yeah. Because yeah, because like it's just like people always ask us a big question we get is did the kids read the comments and does it bother them? It's like wait, the way you phrase that is it should bother them. But it's like, no, the comments don't matter. You don't know these people. Block uh or delete, block, rinse, repeat. That's it. And when it comes to cyberbullying, I mean a lot of this ends in suicide. Yeah. And I and that, my heart just like sinks every time I hear about that. Yeah. And you hear the parents talk about it, and they're and they talk like, yeah, the kid was in the room with the phone, and we just thought everything was cool.

SPEAKER_05 24:45

And I'm like, Yeah, I think it's I think it's parents who don't know what's going on. And then I think it's also like what you just said about our kids seeing the comments. I think for a very long time, I don't even think they knew. Did you guys even know there were negative comments on videos? Like you guys never saw them though.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

Yeah, but we're not gonna be. You know what I mean?

TikTok Views And Empty Fame

SPEAKER_05 25:04

Like it, but I mean, but you weren't like you were shielding them from a certain amount of that, right? Because they were young and it wasn't appropriate and they didn't need to know. And I think that's like one of the bigger issues, along with not parenting, it's just these parents just open the door to the internet to their kids and they're like, okay, go ahead, go in. And there's no guardrails. There's no, again, they're expecting the apps to do it. They're, you know, they're expecting, I don't know what they're expecting. Like the internet is a scary place.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

And then you get other adults online who interact with these kids. I remember, uh, I won't say which one, but we were at a con one day. Do you remember this? And we were doing and we were doing a panel, oh, and a mother came up and asked us a question of Oh, yeah. What age is it okay for like your kid to like talk to an adult? And I said, never. Uh-uh. No. And she was like, You're shaking your head. I'm like, yeah, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

And that was him answering, not me. That was my child answering, not me. He knew because I had taught him like if an if an adult is trying to reach out to a kid online. Now, first of all, that most of the time they do that secretively.

SPEAKER_05 26:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:17

And but if they're being like out front about it, that's even worse because they think, because they're being open about it, it's okay all of a sudden.

SPEAKER_05 26:25

Yeah. Yeah. Like it's not still illegal.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

I'm honest with you. I'm an adult. I'm gonna be friends with your kids.

SPEAKER_05 26:30

I mean, we grew up watching, I mean, I'm sorry, but we grew up, we're the to catch a predator generation. We grew up watching Chris Hansen take these mofos down, and it was so impactful because when we, I mean, we didn't, I mean, I remember when the chat rooms became a big thing, and then all of a sudden, all of a sudden the light bulbs went off for parents, like, oh, bad people go in there. That was like, I don't know. I it was like shocking that there are people in the world who will take a good thing and use it for bad purposes, and that is just everywhere. Why wouldn't it extend to the internet?

SPEAKER_01 27:07

Well, in those situations in particular, there's no way that turns out good.

SPEAKER_05 27:12

Like, what benefit Why does an adult want to be talking to a child online? Like, help me make sense of that.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

It's not I just remember being in that room when that happened, and I saw like when she when I said that and she looked back to her kid. Yeah, the kid looked annoyed. Annoyed, and I said, and in my head, I'm thinking, oh bro, bro, do this for your own sake, not because your mom told you to. There's no way that situation ends good. No.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

I don't I don't understand why more parents. I mean, what is the point? I mean, honestly, of having kids if you're just going if they're just, aren't you, you're there to parent them. You're there to like to be a family, to to love each other, to guide them, to teach them. And it's it's kind of gotten to the point anymore where parents are like, they're born, they can walk, I'm good.

Safety, Moderation, And Kids Online

SPEAKER_05 28:06

Well, we are a very experience-driven culture, and so I think there's just something, particularly in women, that they want that experience. They want that's why you have all these people like spending$50,000 on a wedding. They want this experience, you know. They want, and that's why you have all these people who like they don't want to adopt, they'll spend a million dollars on IVF because they want that experience of being pregnant, and they want, you know, it's about me, me, me, and what I want. And then let's not sugarcoat it. Parenting is hard. It is, it is hard. And I know every generation has had to probably come has had to come across like new challenges within culture and society that the previous generations didn't have to deal with. But our current battle is the internet and social media. Our parents didn't have to parent us through this. I was already an adult. We were engaged when I got on MySpace. My parents didn't have to parent me through social media. And so we're all, we're all going blind and we're just trying to do the best that we can. And I think there's just a decent amount of people out there who are just like, this is hard, and I'm not, you know, whether it's intentional that I'm gonna be hands-off because I don't know what to do, or I don't care. But I I think there's a lot of people who just don't know what to do, and everyone is so busy, and they're just and they're allowing themselves to be busy, and so they're just we're just gonna ignore these things and just hope nothing bad happens.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

Well, and these people are being influenced by the wrong people because you see all these celebrities online saying stuff about how they have kids, like Ah, celebrities though, you're right, but they they don't live in the real world. They don't live in the real world, but it's funny because I'm not trying to be sexist or anything, but you see a lot of these rich celebrity moms who don't have husbands with their kids saying, Look, I can do it, so can you. And I'm just like, oh my gosh. I mean, they have so much help, Danny, much hair. Yeah. If you lived in the real world and you did this by yourself, you could not be able to do this. And to influence that sort of lifestyle is just, I don't agree with it whatsoever.

SPEAKER_05 30:23

And I think you see parents going one way or the other. Like, there's definitely the families out there that their kids can't have phones, they keep them completely off of social media, and they kind of go that extreme. And I get it, I understand that inclination. And I do think that you are the parent, you need to know and understand your child to understand when they might be ready to start engaging in certain behaviors and with and with certain content. But also, having grown up in very conservative communities, you and I have both seen where, you know, kids were told their whole life, no, no, no, no, no. And then the minute they leave the house, their 18th birthday, they go out and they blow it big time, right out the gate, because they were never taught self-control. They were never taught moderation. There has to be, in my opinion, some balance between we need to be open and honest about what the dangers are, but it is not possible in our day and age to live and function within society without having a cell phone. I mean, that's true. I cannot work at my job without my phone. So you have to learn how to engage with this stuff. And so you have to learn what the red flags are, and then again, you have to keep up with AI, you have to keep up with what's happening.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

Our culture is so um, you you probably have a better way to say this, Rach, but like we're so individually focused, and we're so like it's about me and it's about taking care of myself and taking care of my needs. And I think that is an also what is happening with kids and kids not being parented. Like the and also kids are then allowed to do these things that you're just like, oh my god, like they're not allowed to smoke, they're not allowed to drink, they're not allowed to this, but they're allowed to do this. And I don't even need to go into what that is, and we're not gonna do that in this episode, but it's just mind-boggling to me. Yeah, and how those parents will be looked down upon if they will try to parent their child through that. Yeah. Rather than just let their kid do whatever the hell they want. Yeah, that is sickening, it's sad, and it's just it just makes my heart like feel it makes my heart feel bad. Like it's just, I feel kid being a kid is really, really hard.

SPEAKER_05 32:41

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

Is really hard. And we think by allowing kids to just do whatever they want, we're gonna make it easier for them. Well, like you said, there comes a point where they're 18, they leave, and they're like, what is this?

SPEAKER_05 32:55

Because we haven't either we've either we've given them just unfettered access to everything, or we've restricted everything. And so how do you enter adulthood if you don't know like how to function, how to control yourself, how to read and understand things for yourself, how to identify red flags, how to treat people, how to treat people. Like, you know, if you haven't learned any of that, like I said, it's either, you know, you're either a monster or you're gonna become one.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

Or you come up with something like six, seven. Six daddy.

SPEAKER_05 33:35

I mean, that's or you just start saying nonsense phrases because you can't articulate the thing that you're actually trying to say.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

I mean, I think that's I think that's really true, though. It kind of brings it full circle. Like no one knows anything. Also, you can't say anything on social media, but you can say everything. There's no absolute truth. So let's just come up with things like six, seven because that's the only thing anyone can get on board with.

SPEAKER_05 34:01

Yeah. Because it's not offensive, right? Because it doesn't mean anything.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

Like that's that's why personally this last semester of school, I've been so angry because it's all been A, B, C, or D, and you're trying to guess which one's right. I haven't had one writing assignment this year yet. And I truly believe that's where you show what you've learned because you gather resources, you put it in your own words.

SPEAKER_05 34:24

Instead of multiple choice.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Instead of multiple choice. I hate multiple choice. And I that's and that's why I hate you know, these state tests. I don't believe that's where you show true intelligence.

SPEAKER_05 34:36

I just it's it's true. Like being able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

It's so mind-numbing. And then, oh, I love it when they say this. Which one is the best answer? Oh no. That's don't even go there with that.

SPEAKER_05 34:47

That's debatable, right?

Critical Thinking And AI Confusion

SPEAKER_01 34:48

It's debatable. That's subjective, don't go there. Which you know what? That's why I get why grandma loves math so much. It's either two plus two always equals four. It's either right or wrong. I get that. But I also love it when I'm able to write and to put my creative thinking to work. That's why I've been so stressed out and so angry at this last semester of school. I haven't had one writing assignment this year. ELA has not given me one writing assignment this year. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 35:16

Instead, it's always pick which which answer is the best.

SPEAKER_01 35:21

Which pronoun goes here? Well, actually, any pronoun today can go right there. So actually, this is wrong.

SPEAKER_02 35:27

Well, they probably have above. They probably don't want to give you any writing assignment because I mean, depending on what you're being taught at home, it probably doesn't line up to what the world wants you to be taught. And then it probably doesn't line up to what the school wants you to be taught. So they're just gonna give you multiple choice instead of giving you something where you're actually gonna have to think, write something down, and then the teacher's gonna actually have to be like, oh my God, I don't know how to grade this because he's saying this, you believe this, they believe this. Well, and again, no truth.

SPEAKER_05 36:00

Yeah, well, again, and I think too, it's something that's definitely lost. Being able to research a topic, being able to write in full sentences, um, use correct grammar, punctuation, all of those things. Like at the end of the day, whatever argument or thing you're writing about to a certain extent when you're in school shouldn't matter. Like, unless you're trying to like, you know, convince me the sky is like purple or something. Like, otherwise, like make your argument, but like there's just so many basic things about being able to communicate and communicate clearly.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

Well, and then also to find resources, which is so important because we have the internet, it's all out there, you just have to be able to find it.

SPEAKER_05 36:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

And so I even like just getting readable resources, getting those. I can find those easily.

SPEAKER_05 36:52

You can find anything you want on the internet to support whatever it is you want to say.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

You have to know at that point then how to use critical thinking because you know, a perfect example right now, and we're not gonna talk about stranger things any more than this little point I'm gonna bring up. When someone doesn't like something and someone else does, you can find every avenue of the like and the not like. Same thing with like scripture. Yeah but people can take one scripture and use it to make this argument over here or this argument over here, and you have to have critical thinking, or you're gonna get led down the wrong path. Like super easy. Well, and context, especially with scripture, is so important.

SPEAKER_05 37:34

Read the verses before it and read the verses after it.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

Well, and also what was happening at the time of the of what was happening there.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

That people just don't well when somebody's arguing though, and they want to bring the and they want to cite a video from TikTok. I'm like, I don't go with that because they don't probably know what they're talking about. Where did they get their do their research, and they're just saying what they need to say to get the views. That's really true.

SPEAKER_05 37:59

Yeah. So again, it's like reputable reasons.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

Because anyone right now who doesn't like the scene where Will comes out is automatically homophobic. Automatically, everyone is judging you as homophobic. And it's like, no, it was bad acting, it was poorly written. Unnecessary. Way unnecessary. It happened at a stupid moment, and all and and it undermined Will getting his powers. 6'7.

SPEAKER_03 38:26

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

6'7 was good. No, in this context, it's mid. It's 6'7.

SPEAKER_02 38:31

Before we end this episode of Relatively Terrible, what is something that you're into this week that you think our audience should check out?

SPEAKER_03 38:38

6'7! I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_02 38:40

Okay, good it.

SPEAKER_01 38:45

I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_04 38:47

You're reading, you've been reading.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

You should check out one piece because it's actually good. The show or the book? No, the manga. Do not read the show. Do not watch the show. Do not read the show? Do not read the show. Wow. Do not watch the show.

SPEAKER_05 39:01

You don't like the show?

SPEAKER_01 39:02

No. Oh. There's filler. There's like But the manga's good. Yeah, manga's good. What is manga exactly? Anime.

SPEAKER_02 39:10

Six event! Oh! Got him! Got him. I know what it is. It's a book that you read backwards. Yeah, and it's anime.

SPEAKER_05 39:18

It has pictures. I love pictures.

SPEAKER_01 39:21

What are you into this week? Mom's into a whorehouse. Okay. That's not what she's into. Different families. But it all leads to a whorehouse.

SPEAKER_05 39:33

Well, okay, so at the end of last week, I just finished reading East of Eden by John Steinbeck. And it was a masterpiece. It was really incredible. It was totally worth the time. And I keep seeing it pop up on like lots of people's best books of the year list. And it's gonna be on mine as well. It was it was fantastic. Okay. And apparently when I described it all picked up by. Oh, is this the horror house book? There is a there is a.

SPEAKER_01 40:08

And this is where all of our listeners sign off.

SPEAKER_02 40:12

No. Okay. I watched a movie with Jackson. Oh my God. It's called Begonia. I think that's how you pronounce it. It has Jesse Plemens. It's the most disturbing thing I've ever seen. Okay, this is my. I don't care about it.

SPEAKER_01 40:24

Wait, do they know how to say baloney or something? Begonia? What is that? Begonia.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

Listen, I will just say it's Jesse Plemens and it's Emma Stone. And it is. It is a great film. It is dark, so don't go into it thinking that it's just Oh, oh my god, 67 happiness. Okay. Calvin Killers. Calvin Shards. Please stop. It's a good movie. You should check it out because it's not a book.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

It actually makes you think. But uh anyone who hasn't listened to Mammoth, uh, definitely give him a try. I've tried listening to Van Halen before, his dad's band. And look, the guitar is, I mean, uh, come on, it's Eddie Van Halen. But the singing and everything else, nothing I've heard has really impressed me. The songs in general. He's a great guitar player, but his songs are nothing to write home about, in my opinion. The songwriting, the style. Mammoth Mammoth is better than Van Halen to me. His band is better than Van Halen, in my personal opinion. Do you see what he's doing? That's his generation.

SPEAKER_04 41:30

I'm gonna tie your hands. Check out and go!

SPEAKER_01 41:34

So check out Mammoth. He hasn't. Why is he named Mammoth? Is that his favorite animal? I thought you were gonna go a different route with that. Or is he built like one?

SPEAKER_02 41:42

That was a relatively terrible joke.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

Yeah. That's just his nickname, dude. His real name is Wolfgang Van Halen. So why is he called Wolfgang? They call him Wolfgang. No, why is it a band name called Wolfgang?

SPEAKER_02 41:57

You know there's no one in Dance Gavin Dance named Gavin, right? Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 42:03

It's the same thing!

Teaching Discernment Over Multiple Choice

SPEAKER_01 42:08

Who's Koheed and who's Cambria? Oh, I bet they get that. Right when they came out. They get it from him. And you should check out is Spirit Box. You should check them out. I thought you already talked about One Piece. I can't even say it. And to all you Star Wars lovers out there, look, I love the original three movies. But check out something that's. What does it have to do with anything? But check out something that's better. Harry Potter. I will admit, the first time watching Harry Potter, I was kind of prejudiced against it because I was like, this can't be better than Star Wars. And then right when we got to Goblet of Fire, I said, okay, this is pretty great. It's not better than Star Wars? I knew it was better than Star Wars by the third movie.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

What Star Wars were you watching? AI version?

SPEAKER_03 42:55

Oh no. Um where you typed into the prompt, make a good Star Wars. No, Rise of the Skywalker. Oh yeah, so good. Man, you know how many people hate Ray? Go online.

SPEAKER_02 43:05

People think. Okay, back to Gooning. That would be a better way to say Gooning would be Rise of My Skywalker.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

Go back to Gooning. See? My Skywalker's rising up.

SPEAKER_01 43:19

So when you guys watch this, someone just take that out of context and make that a meme. Go back to Gooning.

SPEAKER_02 43:29

See, even though I just owned him and roasted his own generation, he won't admit it. That was relatively terrible. We're out of here.

SPEAKER_01 43:37

I'm relatively successful.